even when they are part of a single mesh ?
otherwise, loving this phase of a project. when you are far from the empty scene, and just tweaking stuff and putting time into details.
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otherwise, loving this phase of a project. when you are far from the empty scene, and just tweaking stuff and putting time into details.
mantasisg
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Yes, just simply nothing is rendered in very far distance. I guess this is connected to overly strong natural fog even in clear weathers. This is taking quite a bit from all tracks, isolating them from very far backgrounds. Though can not argue about it, because it can be so IRL with high humidity and no wind to blow it away.
Yes interesting phase, I hope not to ruin performance haha However there were some badly performing mods, and I haven't seen complaints about it.
Yes interesting phase, I hope not to ruin performance haha However there were some badly performing mods, and I haven't seen complaints about it.
So.. here is that comparison video I was threatening with 
. It's sort of quickly done, so not perfect match, but it serves the purpose. So, if you ask me, only the exit of of Madgwick is a bit too much. Otherwise, it's quite nice. If you don't ask me, then.. well, all is good
. It's sort of quickly done, so not perfect match, but it serves the purpose. So, if you ask me, only the exit of of Madgwick is a bit too much. Otherwise, it's quite nice. If you don't ask me, then.. well, all is good
mantasisg
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Thank you, I thought that it will look bumpier. Looks better than expected. But as expected some places seem a little bit bumpier, and some others seem slightly smoother. Thanks for the video, Luchian.
Madgwick exit is really weird sometimes it is more, and sometimes less bumpy. I made it slightly less bumpy, as well as few other spots in 0.8 version IIRIC.
Madgwick exit is really weird sometimes it is more, and sometimes less bumpy. I made it slightly less bumpy, as well as few other spots in 0.8 version IIRIC.
Hahaha. I guess it comes a point, where some decisions can be based on the artistic effect more than on the reality. But in my opinion, seeing how uniform the cut grass looks, it's not worth it to sacrifice all the polys and performance on 3d grass. A detailed 2d texture might do very well justice.
As a bonus, maybe some (very) scattered 3d fins (flowers ?) can be thrown is some areas. Like the photo I have placed from LFS, in LRP thread (in case it's not obvious, I LOVE that look).
As a bonus, maybe some (very) scattered 3d fins (flowers ?) can be thrown is some areas. Like the photo I have placed from LFS, in LRP thread (in case it's not obvious, I LOVE that look)
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Mr Whippy
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The irony of wanting unrealistic material properties to get a more realistic look hehe.
I bet you could pump the normals to get more apparent lumpiness in the grass surface.
Think how the topology might look if you draped a cloth over the grass... probably very lumpy even on apparently smooth areas.
Either way it looks stunning. I love your distant terrain.
I've done similar on a huge track before and it really puts you there vs panorama textures which fall apart on bigger open tracks.
A shame AC is culling the rendering so closely though.
Imo they should use 50km rendering, backfavd culling, and ask authors to optimise *if* needed, rather than forcing a short draw distance on everything!
Can't wait to see more
I bet you could pump the normals to get more apparent lumpiness in the grass surface.
Think how the topology might look if you draped a cloth over the grass... probably very lumpy even on apparently smooth areas.
Either way it looks stunning. I love your distant terrain.
I've done similar on a huge track before and it really puts you there vs panorama textures which fall apart on bigger open tracks.
A shame AC is culling the rendering so closely though.
Imo they should use 50km rendering, backfavd culling, and ask authors to optimise *if* needed, rather than forcing a short draw distance on everything!
Can't wait to see more
mantasisg
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Yeah in AC panoramas aren't very great. I really wish it was better. Can I ask what track you have been working on ? The one huge track which had great panorama was Targa Florio.
As for cloth it would really depend on the fiber
This is how I wish my grass would look all the time. But the normals kicks in properly only when sun is low and in rather small areas. Here are few better examples. I have been tweaking my grass textures and shader settings, so they aren't the same anymore:
Maybe I should try even more agressive normal map. But I don't want it to look ugly in sunsets then...
By the way, I think Gran Turismo sport has the nicest terrains in racing game ever, and looks like they use very little of "3D grass". Their shaders and normal maps are briliant.
Edit: Tried to add more contrast to normal maps and to diffuse textures too, helps a bit. But dreams not achieved. I also can not use too much of contrast because after certain point tiling seems to start to begin to appear.
Maybe I will find something more, but I doubt.
As for cloth it would really depend on the fiber
This is how I wish my grass would look all the time. But the normals kicks in properly only when sun is low and in rather small areas. Here are few better examples. I have been tweaking my grass textures and shader settings, so they aren't the same anymore:
Maybe I should try even more agressive normal map. But I don't want it to look ugly in sunsets then...
By the way, I think Gran Turismo sport has the nicest terrains in racing game ever, and looks like they use very little of "3D grass". Their shaders and normal maps are briliant.
Edit: Tried to add more contrast to normal maps and to diffuse textures too, helps a bit. But dreams not achieved. I also can not use too much of contrast because after certain point tiling seems to start to begin to appear.
Maybe I will find something more, but I doubt.
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mantasisg
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Screenshots betatesting showcase time yay ! Are you happy ? Alright then, lets check whats going on.
Redone Daffodils.
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Working on Hydragea aka Hortensia aka That one toxic plant. Pretty difficult to get it right, still needs adjustments. It is still too much this or that.
Trying to improve kerbs textures and mapping. Including much too dark Hortensia leaves. Not long ago found out how useful are filter galeries in photoshop, for example for adding detail to normal maps:
Added some weeds to the place to be, KSLAYER4, probably will double them by making KSLAYER5, because seems a bit sparse. Had some trouble with them today, skipped dinner, but hey it ended well. Thankfully I had some potatoes and a steak half ready, so I'm still alive (#godsavethemodder)
One day boy.... one day...
Redone Daffodils.
Working on Hydragea aka Hortensia aka That one toxic plant. Pretty difficult to get it right, still needs adjustments. It is still too much this or that.
Trying to improve kerbs textures and mapping. Including much too dark Hortensia leaves. Not long ago found out how useful are filter galeries in photoshop, for example for adding detail to normal maps:
Added some weeds to the place to be, KSLAYER4, probably will double them by making KSLAYER5, because seems a bit sparse. Had some trouble with them today, skipped dinner, but hey it ended well. Thankfully I had some potatoes and a steak half ready, so I'm still alive
(#godsavethemodder)
One day boy.... one day...
Yellow flowers look great.
Track looks nicely populated also on that photo from the back.
3d grass looks very well actually, from that low angle (..I asume it's not the same story when raising the camera).
That detail on the kerbs though.. it's fine from a NM point of view; but the texture as a whole looks a little bit blurry.
Anyway, very nice progress, polishing phase seems productive. I find the overall look more and more coherent.
Track looks nicely populated also on that photo from the back.
3d grass looks very well actually, from that low angle (..I asume it's not the same story when raising the camera).
That detail on the kerbs though.. it's fine from a NM point of view; but the texture as a whole looks a little bit blurry.
Anyway, very nice progress, polishing phase seems productive
. I find the overall look more and more coherent.
mantasisg
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Pretty happy about the daffodils, worked out. Track is getting quite close to being fully modelled in terms of objects and mesh. Hopefully all assets will be there in a month.
3D grass was a bit struggle, I use Kunos texture, which means that it should look good. But at first it was terrible. Then I found out that after placing grass all the vertex normals ran away, so had to reassign them, and then looked good. I think it looks good from all angles, but from a higher angles and from the side is a bit sparse now.
IDK about kerbs, might have to go deeper on textures. It is a bit challenging because I want to have them very rubbered at places where the apexes are, and the tires are heavily loaded on them, and sideways.
Thanks, man I find it better and better too.
3D grass was a bit struggle, I use Kunos texture, which means that it should look good. But at first it was terrible. Then I found out that after placing grass all the vertex normals ran away, so had to reassign them, and then looked good. I think it looks good from all angles, but from a higher angles and from the side is a bit sparse now.
IDK about kerbs, might have to go deeper on textures. It is a bit challenging because I want to have them very rubbered at places where the apexes are, and the tires are heavily loaded on them, and sideways.
Thanks, man
I find it better and better too.
Pixelchaser
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try this out for normal maps generation. its what I use now and its pretty decent for cheap price. getting it to scale correct on multilayer is another story..
http://store.steampowered.com/app/703300/NORMALIZATOR/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/703300/NORMALIZATOR/
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Pixelchaser
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done with care and attention i think this is good enough to not need the full 3d grass coverage, but favour the sparse 3d method that creates grass flurry over distance only... but alas during the day this annoying ac engine diminishes the normal map completely
mantasisg
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Yeah thats perfect texture, and normal maps. I have pretty good NM map too, also generated. But not scaled precisely, my rgb mask is a bit blended anyway.
I am familiar wit hNM generators, though first year I thought that NM maps are made by hand
This one seems nice and cheap gotta check, Jim Lloyd pointed me out one too, haven't checked yet. Insane Bump Map generator is ok for me, but there are some issues. I have tried "CrazyBump" trial version. That one is perfect. But expensive, even student version is very expensive.
I also wanted to share my progress today.
Today I have pushed forward to this 3D grass thing. I have chosen to seek for something similar like this:
A few hours of work, I have been adding planes which are not dense at all, but it summed up to 300 000 vertices anyway. Previously whole track was 1 000 000.
First result was disappointing, no colors, almost worse than better look.
Was only visible from low angle, and with large fov. Even thought just to remove. But then had an idea to make blooms larger in the texture. And it was much better then.
I am familiar wit hNM generators, though first year I thought that NM maps are made by hand
This one seems nice and cheap gotta check, Jim Lloyd pointed me out one too, haven't checked yet. Insane Bump Map generator is ok for me, but there are some issues. I have tried "CrazyBump" trial version. That one is perfect. But expensive, even student version is very expensive.
I also wanted to share my progress today.
Today I have pushed forward to this 3D grass thing. I have chosen to seek for something similar like this:
A few hours of work, I have been adding planes which are not dense at all, but it summed up to 300 000 vertices anyway. Previously whole track was 1 000 000.
First result was disappointing, no colors, almost worse than better look.
Was only visible from low angle, and with large fov. Even thought just to remove. But then had an idea to make blooms larger in the texture. And it was much better then.
mantasisg
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